Huh? Wha?

[zesty_pinto]

I was looking up something called "American Girl" dolls since I am utterly obscure to these new fangled toys. I was interested because it somehow got related with VH1's "I Love Toys" marathon.

One of the links I found, however, included an article on conservative Christians shunning this toy because it had to do with a group that had been known to be pro-abortion?

delennamachoo, I'm surprised you didn't talk about this one. Or did you? I can't tell, this all looks wacky to me.

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[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

I hadn't seen it, but it's funny. The American Girl company donates to girlsinc which is a great organization they are labling pro-abortion without doing much more research.

The abortion argument reminds me of the troops argument. You're either for the war or against the troops, and you're either pro-life or against life. Advocating a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body is NOT advocating abortion. I'm pro-choice, and I would never have an abortion nor would I encourage anyone else to do so. I simply don't want the government telling me what I can and can't do in the event of an unplanned pregnancy especially for victims of rape, incest, etc.

The funny thing is that I don't see anything anti-Christian on the girlsinc website. They're simply trying to empower girls.

[amanjo.livejournal.com]

I'm pro-choice, and I would never have an abortion nor would I encourage anyone else to do so. I simply don't want the government telling me what I can and can't do in the event of an unplanned pregnancy especially for victims of rape, incest, etc.

I agree 1,000% percent.

fundamentalist patriarchy

[dtfan579.livejournal.com]

Empowering girls is anti-christian to fundamentalists, even though they don't say it directly. Can't allow the patriarchy to get overthrown.

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

Here it is:
"We recognize the right of all women to choose whether, when, and under what circumstances to bear children. Reproductive freedom and responsibility are essential to other rights and opportunities, including pursuit of education, employment, financial security and a stable and fulfilling family life. Restrictions of reproductive choice are especially burdensome for young women and poor women. Girls Incorporated supports a woman’s freedom of choice, a constitutional right established by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 in Roe vs. Wade."


I still don't see the problem. It's just more of the pro-lifers trying to say that advocating reproductive freedom = advocating murder :P.

[zesty-pinto.livejournal.com]

How wonderful for them to find something to shame even when it attempts to empower positive values. These people must be bible-belt Christians to take something like this and look at it another way.

On a side note, I doubt it actually means this, but did you find it strange that the whole kettleburning began at a "high school" football game? I almost thought the parents were still teens until I kept reminding myself that they had four daughters.

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

I didn't read the whole thing. I often elect not to evaluate the thoughts of people who are refusing to evaluate the thoughts of others. These people gave no further thought than "murder" yet being pro-choice is so not about abortion at all. It's easier for that woman to convince herself we're all about killing babies, so she doesn't have to think about it any further.

[assfingers.livejournal.com]

Their HQ is here in Madison.

Or it was, at least. I seem to recall some sort of hubbub about a move a few years back.

That's all I have to offer.

[zesty-pinto.livejournal.com]

Considering how new the article is, I guess it wasn't that. I suppose the fact that it is so unheard of shows just how stupid the claim is.

[zesty-pinto.livejournal.com]

On a side note, I doubt it actually means this, but did you find it strange that the whole kettleburning began at a "high school" football game? I almost thought the parents were still teens until I kept reminding myself that they had four daughters.

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

You, sir, have nothing to offer. Freak.

[amanjo.livejournal.com]

I've heard of American Girls because they're made near where I grew up, but I had not heard of this flap. I cannot wrap my head around the logic that conservative Xtians use to make their insane arguments.

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

I don't really believe there is logic to it. I don't even have a problem with them thinking abortion or homosexuality are wrong. I have a problem with them wanting to impose their beliefs on me and future generations of women as law. Being pro-choice doesn't make someone have an abortion. Being pro-life makes someone not have an abortion (South Dakota's new law with its lack of incest clause makes me insane).

Whether or not I marry someone of the same sex or have an abortion affects them not at all, except that they can't stand that it's happening. They convince themselves these things will bring about the downfall of society or the wrath of God (if there is one), but all societies fall and they have no right to force their God's views upon me/you/etc.

On a side note, writing off pro-choice as pro-murder allows them not to have to look at the other side of the argument very deeply. To realize there are people like you and I on the pro-choice side would shake the foundations of their argument in many cases and they might have to CHANGE their stance *gasp*.

[amanjo.livejournal.com]

I think your side note hits it on the head, that if they equate it with murder, they can just write it off as a sin without even thinking about its implications. Their refusal to take any sort of a middle ground even when rape and incest is concerned puts them squarely in the extremist category.

South Dakota's law makes my head explode. It also makes me want to open a clinic with bus service on the SoDak/Minn border. If only I had some capital.

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

One good thing about their law is that it was similar exclusionary language that helped strike down the abortion laws in the first place. Of course, there was more to it, but that did seem to play a part. Based on what I've been reading about some of the decisions involved in the original Roe v. Wade, I'm hoping SD's attempt to strike down Roe v. Wade will actually reaffirm it.

[amanjo.livejournal.com]

You're definitely up on the ins and outs of this more than I am. I look forward to reading what you've got to say!

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

I had a big argument with unhappy results during which a former friend compared being gay to choosing to eat chocolate cookies. Roe v. Wade came up in the fight, and I decided it was time I do some research. I really wanted some idea of the potential for its demise. I AM PREPARED. ;)

[into-focus.livejournal.com]

To be fair to the Christians.. I always had American Dolls when I was a wee thing and it definately made me want to murder my first born.

[zesty-pinto.livejournal.com]

This is why all children should grow up off of LEGO and Transformers.

[(Anonymous)]

Legos were created by Jesus so we can all make these:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/

[into-focus.livejournal.com]

Oops, that Anon twas me

[sinndar.livejournal.com]

Whoa. That's pretty whacky alright!

[delennamachoo.livejournal.com]

I *heart* your icon...and several other of your icons. Hooray.

I'm sticking you on my friends list. *STICK*

[zesty-pinto.livejournal.com]

You'll like her. She's one of those awesome moms you wish you had when you were a kid.

[sinndar.livejournal.com]

Awww, thank you so much!! :D

[sinndar.livejournal.com]

Thanks! I added ya back.