Rewatching Revenge of The Sith
Dec. 17th, 2017 07:12 pmEpisode 3 doesn't have as much that strikes me as a bad screenplay. The camera work that struck me as lazy in episode 2 is now reduced significantly and feels more like the camera is trying to create something more confining, trying to make the audience focus better on the action and really work to see all the minor details and wonder that makes for the fascinating and mundane between the cast. Plus, little nuggets of ideas through the film are implemented later on, although so much fewer of them seem to be around.
What annoys me the most out of all of this is the endless "tell don't show" tendency the actors have. For example in that assault on the battleship in the beginning, Obi-Wan and Anakin don't seem to show any sort of panic when they aren't interacting with particular characters, and while it reflects their veteran behavior, you can see the major difference when you have Obi-Wan calmly telling R2 to fix an elevator quickly falling to their death but will inflect emotion the next minute at a jab made by Anakin. Anakin didn't need to tell us why he shouldn't do certain things or what he shouldn't do. It would even fit better into the mold of Darth Vader that he is destined to become, who is not a very talkative man and shows more emotion with one gesture of the hand than what Anakin can say in a minute.
I'm still trying to figure out what Lucas's analysis was in terms of how to portray Anakin. He seems so oddly stiff at times as though he's repressing so much, but then there's scenes where he's expressing things all over the place. Maybe he'll be angry or upset but then apologize for speaking out of line and you can't really tell the difference in his tone. It's kind of weird because his expression of lines, his inability to express himself without words, his awkward laugh... it's reminiscent of two different film heroes.


Just saying!
Having said that, the first ten minutes of the battle is amazing and I still think it holds up really well and keeps relevant to the whole story of the film itself of an end to one conflict which will lead to a new ending.
I know at this point Lucas just wanted it to be done and fill in the holes between Attack of The Clones and A New Hope, but I wish he was willing to turn episode 3 into two parts. Back then it wasn't really conventional (I think Kill Bill was called selling out for making their sequel two parts, for example), but Lucas could have gotten away with it when Episode 3 was already filling in so much of a gap.
The visions Anakin has of Padme just emphasizes to me just how appropriate it would be to have shown Anakin those visions in episode 2. Lucas really would have made something great out of it. If episode 1 even had his first words to Padme been "are you an angel? I had a dream of you up in a sky among a gathering of others, and you're guiding someone to help lead them" referring to the council and how Padme would lead to Palpatine's succession. No one would really think about it because anyone can say things like that, but the audience would fathom that Anakin's real powers are legit.
I know Obi Wan and the jedi seem to be endlessly skeptical of Palpatine and the council, but would it have been bad of them to see more about the council that made them really unsure of them? I suppose the clone program would be one of them, but the jedi don't seem to be as upset about it as you would think.
I feel like everyone in this film except Palpatine really feels silly in this film. And yes, I snicker at Palpatine all the time when he goes "GOoOOoOOoood," but his "I'm obviously evil and will monologue about it all the time" is downright satisfying with the cheesiness of this film.
I know Grievous' weak performance against Obi Wan was explained through the much-praised Clone Wars miniseries, but it really hurts that such an insane character was neutered to such a point that we couldn't be promised an amazing fight scene between the two. It kind of makes me wonder if Lucas didn't think of how the three films would really work together since he could have had Kenobi obsess with becoming better with the lightsaber after losing Qui-Gon to make sure he can protect others.
Edit: My quest to figure out Christensen's awful acting came with this reminder that Lucas basically had his actors working in space without someone to reflect emotion with. This combined with some of the worst dialogue I've seen written in awhile just mismanaged some amazing talent.
So screen doctor changes this time:
-Dialogue tightening. At the least, remove redundant dialogue and just have the actors express what they're feeling. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader, his interaction with Padme can be shown as more emotional, more raw. When they kiss, he forces it on her. When Padme asks what's wrong, he tells her not to worry.
-Adding to that, the bond between Anakin and Palpatine needs to be more than friends to "please help me save Padme." I would consider having Palpatine instead blackmail Anakin even before Windu's death, perhaps through another assassination attempt towards Padme that he concedes only he can stop (which will be appropriate when we find out that Palpatine is the one who is sending the assassins). When Anakin, now attained as his Darth Vader form, finds the assassins and kills them, his emotional instinct is what makes him unable to tell Padme apart from his very enemies. Obi Wan would come just conveniently enough for Anakin to think that this was all a plan that Obi Wan did out of hatred, or maybe even jealousy (throughout the film it could be suggested to him that way as Obi Wan uses her to find a way to reach Anakin but as what he sees to be her betrayal to him.
-Order 66 seems more like a verbal command, but wouldn't it make more sense to emphasize this was a built in program for all clones rather than an immediate betrayal? I would, so scrap the order as a compliance from the clones and instead show the command going to a radio tower and all the clones behaving like defectively before acting out. Maybe someone complains that the program has not been perfected with the clones and Palpatine kills him and tells his second to execute the program. It would also explain how the clones become so much more useless in the later films. Otherwise, Order 66 being a verbal program all clones consent to just doesn't make sense with the clone war series. For the current animated series that features what normal clones are left, they could write in that they found out about Order 66 and got the program removed/reprogrammed out of their heads.
-Break Revenge of The Sith into two parts. The first chronicles Anakin's fall into Darth Vader. There's enough there to really fit into 90 minutes. The rest of the film could be filled in with Palpatine's corruption of Anakin and twisting him and his blackmail of Padme to make sure he twists harder until Anakin truly succumbs and accepts joining the Sith. At the same time, Qui Gon appears to Yoda or Obi Wan to warn him of what is coming.
The second part would chronicle a gathering of what jedi is surviving, Order 66, and their eventual revelation of who Darth Vader is and how to stop Anakin. There could be other jedi that could have survived and their slow attempt to survive and escape death from the patrols of clone troopers. Obi Wan could be angrily telling Qui Gon to go away for making this all happen thanks to him, while Qui Gon keeps urging him to save Anakin.
Padme in the meantime would notice the increase in security (that's no longer for her security but to make sure the jedi don't touch her) and the jedi's attempt to reach her to break the news of Anakin's behavior. Some jedi die in the process, which is to be expected. It also helps the audience and Padme see that Anakin is no longer the same person she remembers as she realizes Anakin's personality has either been completely fractured or he is trying to hide his real corruption through a fastly-crumbling facade.
In the end, Obi Wan and Anakin duel, and when the duel happens, it's through Qui Gon that Obi Wan finds himself and defeats Anakin and its Qui Gon who apologizes for never being there for him when he needed him the most, but then Obi Wan insists he can not be saved. Qui Gon would finally agree in the end, adding "Not yet." But even then, Qui Gon will stay there and watch him as he writhes in pain and Obi Wan leaves. As Anakin starts to lose consciousness, he sees Qui Gon and that is what finally curbs his rage and makes him come to his senses just enough to find himself again.
Edit: Someone else also pointed out to me that it could have been just as valid to make the second half about jedi trying to figure out how to fight this "Darth Vader" that suddenly appeared. I like how it would retain the impact of Episode 5 if that approach would come, although I don't know how to make it fit with the current material that was established for the third episode.
Anyway, I'm done with this. If anything sticks out for me with the original trilogy, I might make a point to post about it, but a lot of what I'm seeing is from an amateur filmwriter's perspective anyway.
What annoys me the most out of all of this is the endless "tell don't show" tendency the actors have. For example in that assault on the battleship in the beginning, Obi-Wan and Anakin don't seem to show any sort of panic when they aren't interacting with particular characters, and while it reflects their veteran behavior, you can see the major difference when you have Obi-Wan calmly telling R2 to fix an elevator quickly falling to their death but will inflect emotion the next minute at a jab made by Anakin. Anakin didn't need to tell us why he shouldn't do certain things or what he shouldn't do. It would even fit better into the mold of Darth Vader that he is destined to become, who is not a very talkative man and shows more emotion with one gesture of the hand than what Anakin can say in a minute.
I'm still trying to figure out what Lucas's analysis was in terms of how to portray Anakin. He seems so oddly stiff at times as though he's repressing so much, but then there's scenes where he's expressing things all over the place. Maybe he'll be angry or upset but then apologize for speaking out of line and you can't really tell the difference in his tone. It's kind of weird because his expression of lines, his inability to express himself without words, his awkward laugh... it's reminiscent of two different film heroes.


Just saying!
Having said that, the first ten minutes of the battle is amazing and I still think it holds up really well and keeps relevant to the whole story of the film itself of an end to one conflict which will lead to a new ending.
I know at this point Lucas just wanted it to be done and fill in the holes between Attack of The Clones and A New Hope, but I wish he was willing to turn episode 3 into two parts. Back then it wasn't really conventional (I think Kill Bill was called selling out for making their sequel two parts, for example), but Lucas could have gotten away with it when Episode 3 was already filling in so much of a gap.
The visions Anakin has of Padme just emphasizes to me just how appropriate it would be to have shown Anakin those visions in episode 2. Lucas really would have made something great out of it. If episode 1 even had his first words to Padme been "are you an angel? I had a dream of you up in a sky among a gathering of others, and you're guiding someone to help lead them" referring to the council and how Padme would lead to Palpatine's succession. No one would really think about it because anyone can say things like that, but the audience would fathom that Anakin's real powers are legit.
I know Obi Wan and the jedi seem to be endlessly skeptical of Palpatine and the council, but would it have been bad of them to see more about the council that made them really unsure of them? I suppose the clone program would be one of them, but the jedi don't seem to be as upset about it as you would think.
I feel like everyone in this film except Palpatine really feels silly in this film. And yes, I snicker at Palpatine all the time when he goes "GOoOOoOOoood," but his "I'm obviously evil and will monologue about it all the time" is downright satisfying with the cheesiness of this film.
I know Grievous' weak performance against Obi Wan was explained through the much-praised Clone Wars miniseries, but it really hurts that such an insane character was neutered to such a point that we couldn't be promised an amazing fight scene between the two. It kind of makes me wonder if Lucas didn't think of how the three films would really work together since he could have had Kenobi obsess with becoming better with the lightsaber after losing Qui-Gon to make sure he can protect others.
Edit: My quest to figure out Christensen's awful acting came with this reminder that Lucas basically had his actors working in space without someone to reflect emotion with. This combined with some of the worst dialogue I've seen written in awhile just mismanaged some amazing talent.
So screen doctor changes this time:
-Dialogue tightening. At the least, remove redundant dialogue and just have the actors express what they're feeling. When Anakin becomes Darth Vader, his interaction with Padme can be shown as more emotional, more raw. When they kiss, he forces it on her. When Padme asks what's wrong, he tells her not to worry.
-Adding to that, the bond between Anakin and Palpatine needs to be more than friends to "please help me save Padme." I would consider having Palpatine instead blackmail Anakin even before Windu's death, perhaps through another assassination attempt towards Padme that he concedes only he can stop (which will be appropriate when we find out that Palpatine is the one who is sending the assassins). When Anakin, now attained as his Darth Vader form, finds the assassins and kills them, his emotional instinct is what makes him unable to tell Padme apart from his very enemies. Obi Wan would come just conveniently enough for Anakin to think that this was all a plan that Obi Wan did out of hatred, or maybe even jealousy (throughout the film it could be suggested to him that way as Obi Wan uses her to find a way to reach Anakin but as what he sees to be her betrayal to him.
-Order 66 seems more like a verbal command, but wouldn't it make more sense to emphasize this was a built in program for all clones rather than an immediate betrayal? I would, so scrap the order as a compliance from the clones and instead show the command going to a radio tower and all the clones behaving like defectively before acting out. Maybe someone complains that the program has not been perfected with the clones and Palpatine kills him and tells his second to execute the program. It would also explain how the clones become so much more useless in the later films. Otherwise, Order 66 being a verbal program all clones consent to just doesn't make sense with the clone war series. For the current animated series that features what normal clones are left, they could write in that they found out about Order 66 and got the program removed/reprogrammed out of their heads.
-Break Revenge of The Sith into two parts. The first chronicles Anakin's fall into Darth Vader. There's enough there to really fit into 90 minutes. The rest of the film could be filled in with Palpatine's corruption of Anakin and twisting him and his blackmail of Padme to make sure he twists harder until Anakin truly succumbs and accepts joining the Sith. At the same time, Qui Gon appears to Yoda or Obi Wan to warn him of what is coming.
The second part would chronicle a gathering of what jedi is surviving, Order 66, and their eventual revelation of who Darth Vader is and how to stop Anakin. There could be other jedi that could have survived and their slow attempt to survive and escape death from the patrols of clone troopers. Obi Wan could be angrily telling Qui Gon to go away for making this all happen thanks to him, while Qui Gon keeps urging him to save Anakin.
Padme in the meantime would notice the increase in security (that's no longer for her security but to make sure the jedi don't touch her) and the jedi's attempt to reach her to break the news of Anakin's behavior. Some jedi die in the process, which is to be expected. It also helps the audience and Padme see that Anakin is no longer the same person she remembers as she realizes Anakin's personality has either been completely fractured or he is trying to hide his real corruption through a fastly-crumbling facade.
In the end, Obi Wan and Anakin duel, and when the duel happens, it's through Qui Gon that Obi Wan finds himself and defeats Anakin and its Qui Gon who apologizes for never being there for him when he needed him the most, but then Obi Wan insists he can not be saved. Qui Gon would finally agree in the end, adding "Not yet." But even then, Qui Gon will stay there and watch him as he writhes in pain and Obi Wan leaves. As Anakin starts to lose consciousness, he sees Qui Gon and that is what finally curbs his rage and makes him come to his senses just enough to find himself again.
Edit: Someone else also pointed out to me that it could have been just as valid to make the second half about jedi trying to figure out how to fight this "Darth Vader" that suddenly appeared. I like how it would retain the impact of Episode 5 if that approach would come, although I don't know how to make it fit with the current material that was established for the third episode.
Anyway, I'm done with this. If anything sticks out for me with the original trilogy, I might make a point to post about it, but a lot of what I'm seeing is from an amateur filmwriter's perspective anyway.